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<p>I don&#39;t normally side on the side of the companies in environmental disaster cases, but I feel like they did due diligence here.</p>
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They chose to keep it cool and hope water wouldn&#39;t rise more than three feet.</p>
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<p>They could have taken the organic peroxides off site</p>
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<p>How do you know this? Where should they have taken them? At what point should they have taken them off site?</p>

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<p>They chose to keep it cool and hope water wouldn&#39;t rise more than three feet.</p>
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<p>It&#39;s a calculated risk and honestly that was probably the right decision with the information they had at the time. Hindsight is 20/20, right? </p>

<p>By taking them &#39;off site&#39; you&#39;re just risking having them lose refrigeration and becoming the same hazard they were but at some random location along a freeway somewhere or in a potentially more populated area. It&#39;s not like this was caused by an isolated flood local to that specific plant. From Rockport to Lake Charles was basically a big disaster area.</p>
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<p>And our story has far more detail. We acquired documents Arkema provided to the EPA. We also talked to a number of government sources close to various investigations.</p>
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<p>I&#39;m so glad you think I just read a CSB report that didn&#39;t exist yet. </p>
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<p>Arkema goes into great detail on what to do in a bomb threat. What to do if the weather gets really cold or icy. </p>

<p>But when it comes to flooding, its plan is basically... floods happen... try your best to keep things dry.</p>

<p>Which is a not a very detailed plan and kind of obvious when it&#39;s put that way.</p>

<p>A plan that properly addresses the potential for flooding would likely include whether backup generators need to be elevated higher than the primary power, whether its liquid nitrogen back up cooling system needs to be rigged so the pipes don&#39;t sit at 18 inches and thus rendered useless by moderate flooding, whether there&#39;s a point where they should take chemicals that need to stay cool away from the site if flooding is likely.....</p>

<p>just saying...</p>

<p>edit: fixed a stray &#39; </p>
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<p>I&#39;m basing it on how a chemical plant with numerous tanks and totes of highly dangerous chemicals would likely have a long list of things to do to prepare for flooding.</p>
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<p>You can have a long list of things to do but if you don&#39;t have the time available to do them (such as rapidly rising water during an unprecedented flood event) then it&#39;s useless.</p>

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<p>A plan that properly addresses the potential for flooding would likely include whether backup generators need to be elevated higher than the primary power, whether its liquid nitrogen back up cooling system needs to be rigged so the pipes don&#39;t sit at 18 inches and thus rendered useless by moderate flooding</p>
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<p>That&#39;s what a risk analysis is for, not a plan or procedure. I think you&#39;re mixing the two up.</p>

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<p>whether there&#39;s a point where they should take chemicals that need to stay cool away from the site if flooding is likely...</p>
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<p>Are you absolutely sure they didn&#39;t have anything to address relocation of chemicals (or that discussion didn&#39;t take place)? Even then it&#39;s a calculated risk. In a large event like Hurricane Harvey where the flooding isn&#39;t just a local event relocation isn&#39;t that easy and could be more dangerous.</p>

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<p>just saying...</p>
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<p>Yes, condescending sarcasm in response to reasonable questions is certainly good form. </p>
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<p>2) Its emergency plan should be informed by its risk analysis. Or are you arguing the two documents shouldn&#39;t inform each other?</p>

<p>3) Yes. I am absolutely sure. There are no documents from Arkema that ever address the idea of moving the chemicals off site. I&#39;ve confirmed that from the documents I have and to investigators I&#39;ve talked to who have access to far more documents. </p>

<p>The company said in press conferences they talked about moving the peroxides but there&#39;s no record of that occurring. So we&#39;d have to take Arkema at its word that those conversations happened.</p>

<p>4) Fair enough. This is a story I&#39;ve been following for a while now and I know quite a bit about it and the processes involved. I shouldn&#39;t get frustrated when people try to challenge that. </p>

<p>Your question was certainly reasonable.</p>
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<p>Arkema&#39;s main power transformers and its powerful backup generators were not high enough off the ground, causing them to become submerged with floodwaters, Arkema records show. Without power, the company could not keep its stash of organic peroxides at a safe temperature inside its refrigerated buildings.</p>
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<p>Does this really matter considering the fact that the buildings and the refrigeration systems themselves went under and failed due to water inundation?</p>

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<p>The company&#39;s last resort for keeping organic peroxides cool - refrigerated trailers - also was destined to fail. The diesel-powered trailers had fuel tanks that ran along the bottom of the vehicle. More than 3 feet of water compromised the fuel tanks, causing the freezers to die.</p>
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<p>You didn’t answer the important questions of:</p>

<ol>
<li>Did the diesel engine itself sit high enough to remain running even if the fuel tanks were higher?</li>
<li>Did the diesel tanks have enough capacity to remain running long enough to maintain refrigeration until the chemicals could be relocated? Or could they be refueled during the event? (I’m going to guess the answer to these, if you researched into them, would be no.)</li>
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<p>If either of these is no then the fuel tank location is a moot point.</p>

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<p>In planning for catastrophic flooding, Arkema could have elevated its backup generators on platforms or placed them on roofs, said Rick Laine, a salesman for Cay Power Products Co. of Houston. Laine noted that it&#39;s rare, but not impossible, for generators to be placed on platforms several feet above the ground.</p>
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<p>Once again - even if the generators were high enough the buildings themselves would (and did) go under enough water to cause the systems themselves to fail regardless of if power supply would have been available.</p>

<p>Could it have been prevented? Of course. However, it seems to me that the only way this could have been prevented is if they would have built every storage building (and the associated power supply systems) with an unprecedented, record-setting flood in mind. That doesn&#39;t sound very reasonable, does it?</p>
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<p>2) 
a: Good question on the diesel engines themselves. Not entirely sure TBH. We looked into the fuel tanks and fuel lines specifically after a tip from a source.
b: Once the site was abandoned, no. The vast majority of freezer trailers wouldn&#39;t have fuel capacity to run without refueling for more than 18 to 24 hours, even if water didn&#39;t get into the tanks. 
That&#39;s why many experts I talked to were surprised the company didn&#39;t consider relocating the chemicals days before the hurricane hit. At least you could get it away from the likely impact zone and would have access to refueling points. After all, the semi-trailers were how the chemicals get to its customers in the first place.</p>

<p>3) You&#39;re right about the generators in the sense that it&#39;s difficult to know if they could have protected electrical power/fuses in the buildings themselves. </p>

<p>And I think Arkema is pointing out some of the same information in terms of record-setting floods. But that begs the question, when the National Hurricane Center is warning of potential life-threatening, catastrophic flooding and you have chemicals that will catch fire if you lose the ability to cool them.... shouldn&#39;t you get that stuff off site before the hurricane hits just to be sure? It&#39;s a pretty big bet to keep it all on site and basically hope for the best.</p>

<p>Wouldn&#39;t that have saved the company time and money? Wouldn&#39;t it have prevented this from happening at all?</p>

<p>This is why the Chemical Safety Board is calling for the entire chemical industry to reevaluate their emergency plans in light of more frequent and more intense storms.</p>
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<p>Akrema&#39;s own risk management plan details the fears related to its isobutylene and sulfur dioxide tanks. A chain reaction leading to those tanks being upset was a real concern from government officials. </p>

<p>Of course there are other structure fires. And we try to report on as many as we can in the Houston area. </p>
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