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Water is 14 feet above previous record levels, traffic lights are submerged. Five have been reported dead so far. That toll will likely rise.">
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Water is 14 feet above previous record levels, traffic lights are submerged. Five have been reported dead so far. That toll will likely rise.">
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class="author-name">MishTalk</span></span></a></div><a class="timeAgo" href="/mishtalk/economics/U_3UKa8nGkmUrRz6eLjdmg"><div class="message-time-ago"><time class="timeago" dateTime="2017-08-27T06:00:00.000Z" title="2017-8-27 06:00:00">Aug 27, 2017</time></div></a></div><div class="messageReactionContainer__LL8vx indicators"><div class="btn-group-horizontal"></div></div><div class="toolsMenu__1zgs3 toolsMenu"><button title="" class="btn conversationMenu button__2jHve"><i class="mdi mdi-dots-horizontal "></i></button></div></div><span class="hide-deck"><section class="deck"><p>The effects of Hurricane Harvey are beyond anything ever seen.</p>
<p>Water is 14 feet above previous record levels, traffic lights are submerged. Five have been reported dead so far. That toll will likely rise.</p>
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</div></div></div><div class="markdown"><div><div><p> Unfortunately, Harvey re-strengthened and Houston may see another five days of rain. </p>
</div></div></div><span class="ads"><div class="observable"><span class="ad-wrapper"></span></div></span><div class="markdown"><div><div><p>ABC News reports <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/US/dead-harvey-continues-churn-texas-extremely-flooding-unfolding/story?id=49432077">âUnprecedentedâ flooding âbeyond anything expectedâ inundates Houston area, at least 3 dead</a>.</p>
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<p>Houston is being inundated with âunprecedentedâ flooding  after the ferocious Hurricane Harvey set in over the Texas Gulf Coast  this weekend, dumping torrential rain on the city with no end in sight  for days.<br> The National Hurricane Center said at least 50 inches of rain has  fallen in some areas, and one meteorologist estimated some 340 billion  gallons of rainfall inundated the area.<br> A bulletin said, âThis is a flash flood emergency from the Bay City  area to Wharton to Waller across the Houston Metro area to Stafford to  Friendswood to League City and Santa Fe. Travel across the area is  severely hampered if not impossible. Over 1,000 high water rescues have  been performed and in some places emergency crews cannot reach the worst  hit areas.â<br> <strong>Whatâs ahead: More rain, flooding, tornadoes</strong><br> âWe are still expecting 25 to 30 inches [of rain] across southeast  Texas,â ABC News Meteorologist Daniel Manzo said Saturday. âThis is in  addition to what has already fallen this morning.â</p>
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</div></div></div><div class="markdown"><div><div><p><strong>Catastrophic Floods in Houston, Five Reported Dead</strong> </p>
</div></div></div><div class="markdown"><div><div><p>The <em>New York Times</em> reports <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/27/us/harvey-texas-storm.html">Harvey Brings Catastrophic Floods to Houston; at Least Five Reported Dead</a></p>
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<li>At least five deaths and more than a dozen injuries were reported by  Sunday in the aftermath of Harvey, the hurricane that tore across the  Gulf Coast of Texas over the weekend.</li>
<li>The powerful system, now a tropical storm, pounded the region with  torrential rains that were expected to continue for days, causing  catastrophic flooding, according to the National Hurricane Center.</li>
<li>The public hospital for Harris County, which includes Houston, began  evacuating patients after flooding disrupted its power supply.</li>
<li>The National Weather Service forecast rainfall of 15 to 25 inches through Friday, with as much as 50 inches in a few areas.</li>
<li>Emergency responders completed more than 1,000 high-water rescues during the night, and asked the public to donate boats.</li>
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</div></div></div><div class="markdown"><div><div><p><strong>Unprecedented</strong> </p>
</div></div></div><div class="renderable configurableRenderable__3Z77r"><div class="tweet"><div></div></div></div><div class="markdown"><div><div><p><strong>4-5 More Days of Rain</strong></p>
</div></div></div><div class="markdown"><div><div><p>CNN reports <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/27/us/harvey-landfall/index.html">Officials Warn Deluged Houston Could See 4-5 More Days of Rain</a>.</p>
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<p>Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez urged people to think twice before they leave their house and wade through water.<br> âIf water gets in but itâs not life threatening, Iâm going to ask you simply stay put. Do not get on the roadway,â he said.<br> Houston Fire Chief Samuel PeÃ±a adds that they have responded to 2,500 calls and have about 1,000 more waiting to be serviced.<br> Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner asked residents to use restraint in  calling 911.âI know people who call 911 may not be getting a response.  Letâs give preference to the life-threatening calls,â Turner said.<br> Turner defended his decision not to order evacuations before Harvey  made landfall Friday. Nobody was sure exactly where the storms would  hit, he said.âIf you give an order to evacuate, you create a nightmareâ  if itâs not done right, he said.<br> Callers to the local emergency dispatch line told of walls and roofs  collapsing across the city. An official there had warned those who opted  to stick out the storm to write their Social Security numbers on their  arms for body identification.<br> Brock Long, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, said  Saturday that Harvey would leave areas âuninhabitable for weeks or  months,â echoing language last seen ahead of Hurricane Katrina in 2005.&quot;</p>
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</div></div></div><div class="markdown"><div><div><p><strong>Second Landfall</strong></p>
</div></div></div><div class="renderable configurableRenderable__3Z77r"><div class="tweet"><div></div></div></div><div class="renderable configurableRenderable__3Z77r"><div class="tweet"><div></div></div></div><div class="renderable configurableRenderable__3Z77r"><div class="tweet"><div></div></div></div><div class="markdown"><div><div><p> <strong>Storm Video</strong> </p>
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</div></div></div><div class="renderable configurableRenderable__3Z77r"><span><div id="embeddedl8n3kFraN02zD18jXuwKOA-20"></div></span></div><div class="markdown"><div><div><p>Itâs amazing only five people are reported dead after all of this. Best wishes to all of those affected by Hurricane Harvey.</p>
</div></div></div><div class="markdown"><div><div><p>Mike âMishâ Shedlock</p>
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title="Yorik"/></div></div></span></a><a href="/mishtalk/economics/mish-how-is-this-mavin-gig-working-out-for-you-you-lost-me-as-a-reader-when-you-switched-to-this-EaKi2B9YDk60fVJGvivBWQ#comments"><div class="message-time-ago"><time class="timeago" dateTime="2018-02-10T12:52:05.085Z" title="2018-2-10 12:52:05">4 days</time></div></a></div></div><div class="reactions__A1uEX horiz"><div class="accountActionChooser" data-toggle="modal" data-target="#userAccountActions"><div class="reaction__1UsxF horiz"><button title="Like this" class="btn  button__2jHve"><i class="mdi mdi-thumb-up " style="font-size:15px"></i></button><span class="count">1</span></div></div><div class="all-reactions" style="transition:max-width 400ms ease-out;overflow:hidden;max-width:0"><div style="width:50px"><ul><li><div class="accountActionChooser" data-toggle="modal" data-target="#userAccountActions"><div class="reaction__1UsxF horiz"><button title="Laugh at this" class="btn  button__2jHve"><i class="mdi 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by [Mish](https:\u002F\u002Fmishtalk.com\u002Fauthor\u002Fmishgea\u002F \"View all posts by Mish\") \n\n Unfortunately, Harvey re-strengthened and Houston may see another five days of rain. \n\nABC News reports [âUnprecedentedâ flooding âbeyond anything expectedâ inundates Houston area, at least 3 dead](http:\u002F\u002Fabcnews.go.com\u002FUS\u002Fdead-harvey-continues-churn-texas-extremely-flooding-unfolding\u002Fstory?id=49432077).\n\n \u003E Houston is being inundated with âunprecedentedâ flooding  after the ferocious Hurricane Harvey set in over the Texas Gulf Coast  this weekend, dumping torrential rain on the city with no end in sight  for days.  \n The National Hurricane Center said at least 50 inches of rain has  fallen in some areas, and one meteorologist estimated some 340 billion  gallons of rainfall inundated the area.  \n A bulletin said, âThis is a flash flood emergency from the Bay City  area to Wharton to Waller across the Houston Metro area to Stafford to  Friendswood to League City and Santa Fe. Travel across the area is  severely hampered if not impossible. Over 1,000 high water rescues have  been performed and in some places emergency crews cannot reach the worst  hit areas.â  \n **Whatâs ahead: More rain, flooding, tornadoes**  \n âWe are still expecting 25 to 30 inches [of rain] across southeast  Texas,â ABC News Meteorologist Daniel Manzo said Saturday. âThis is in  addition to what has already fallen this morning.â\n\n**Catastrophic Floods in Houston, Five Reported Dead** \n\nThe *New York Times* reports [Harvey Brings Catastrophic Floods to Houston; at Least Five Reported Dead](https:\u002F\u002Fwww.nytimes.com\u002F2017\u002F08\u002F27\u002Fus\u002Fharvey-texas-storm.html)\n\nâ\n\n- At least five deaths and more than a dozen injuries were reported by  Sunday in the aftermath of Harvey, the hurricane that tore across the  Gulf Coast of Texas over the weekend.\n- The powerful system, now a tropical storm, pounded the region with  torrential rains that were expected to continue for days, causing  catastrophic flooding, according to the National Hurricane Center.\n- The public hospital for Harris County, which includes Houston, began  evacuating patients after flooding disrupted its power supply.\n- The National Weather Service forecast rainfall of 15 to 25 inches through Friday, with as much as 50 inches in a few areas.\n- Emergency responders completed more than 1,000 high-water rescues during the night, and asked the public to donate boats.\n\n**Unprecedented** \n\nhttps:\u002F\u002Ftwitter.com\u002FNWS\u002Fstatus\u002F901832717070983169\n\n**4-5 More Days of Rain**\n\nCNN reports [Officials Warn Deluged Houston Could See 4-5 More Days of Rain](http:\u002F\u002Fwww.cnn.com\u002F2017\u002F08\u002F27\u002Fus\u002Fharvey-landfall\u002Findex.html).\n\n \u003E Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez urged people to think twice before they leave their house and wade through water.  \n âIf water gets in but itâs not life threatening, Iâm going to ask you simply stay put. Do not get on the roadway,â he said.  \n Houston Fire Chief Samuel PeÃ±a adds that they have responded to 2,500 calls and have about 1,000 more waiting to be serviced.  \n Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner asked residents to use restraint in  calling 911.âI know people who call 911 may not be getting a response.  Letâs give preference to the life-threatening calls,â Turner said.  \n Turner defended his decision not to order evacuations before Harvey  made landfall Friday. Nobody was sure exactly where the storms would  hit, he said.âIf you give an order to evacuate, you create a nightmareâ  if itâs not done right, he said.  \n Callers to the local emergency dispatch line told of walls and roofs  collapsing across the city. An official there had warned those who opted  to stick out the storm to write their Social Security numbers on their  arms for body identification.  \n Brock Long, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, said  Saturday that Harvey would leave areas âuninhabitable for weeks or  months,â echoing language last seen ahead of Hurricane Katrina in 2005.\"\n\n**Second Landfall**\n\nhttps:\u002F\u002Ftwitter.com\u002FBenNollWeather\u002Fstatus\u002F901695324825075712\n\nhttps:\u002F\u002Ftwitter.com\u002Ftxstarkeeper\u002Fstatus\u002F901851869038948352\n\nhttps:\u002F\u002Ftwitter.com\u002FMishGEA\u002Fstatus\u002F901885621681172482\n\n **Storm Video** \n\nhttps:\u002F\u002Fyoutu.be\u002FtP5\\_wav6QZo\n\n **Drone Damage Footage** \n\nhttps:\u002F\u002Fyoutu.be\u002FdMMJnpvL7h4\n\nItâs amazing only five people are reported dead after all of this. Best wishes to all of those affected by Hurricane Harvey.\n\nMike âMishâ Shedlock\n","isFirstMessage":true,"datePosted":"2017-08-27T06:00:00Z","renderables":[{"markdown":" by [Mish](https:\u002F\u002Fmishtalk.com\u002Fauthor\u002Fmishgea\u002F \"View all posts by Mish\") \n"},{"markdown":"\n Unfortunately, Harvey re-strengthened and Houston may see another five days of rain. \n"},{"markdown":"\nABC News reports [âUnprecedentedâ flooding âbeyond anything expectedâ inundates Houston area, at least 3 dead](http:\u002F\u002Fabcnews.go.com\u002FUS\u002Fdead-harvey-continues-churn-texas-extremely-flooding-unfolding\u002Fstory?id=49432077).\n"},{"markdown":"\n \u003E Houston is being inundated with âunprecedentedâ flooding  after the ferocious Hurricane Harvey set in over the Texas Gulf Coast  this weekend, dumping torrential rain on the city with no end in sight  for days.  \n The National Hurricane Center said at least 50 inches of rain has  fallen in some areas, and one meteorologist estimated some 340 billion  gallons of rainfall inundated the area.  \n A bulletin said, âThis is a flash flood emergency from the Bay City  area to Wharton to Waller across the Houston Metro area to Stafford to  Friendswood to League City and Santa Fe. Travel across the area is  severely hampered if not impossible. Over 1,000 high water rescues have  been performed and in some places emergency crews cannot reach the worst  hit areas.â  \n **Whatâs ahead: More rain, flooding, tornadoes**  \n âWe are still expecting 25 to 30 inches [of rain] across southeast  Texas,â ABC News Meteorologist Daniel Manzo said Saturday. âThis is in  addition to what has already fallen this morning.â\n"},{"markdown":"\n**Catastrophic Floods in Houston, Five Reported Dead** \n"},{"markdown":"\nThe *New York Times* reports [Harvey Brings Catastrophic Floods to Houston; at Least Five Reported Dead](https:\u002F\u002Fwww.nytimes.com\u002F2017\u002F08\u002F27\u002Fus\u002Fharvey-texas-storm.html)\n"},{"markdown":"\nâ\n"},{"markdown":"\n- At least five deaths and more than a dozen injuries were reported by  Sunday in the aftermath of Harvey, the hurricane that tore across the  Gulf Coast of Texas over the weekend.\n- The powerful system, now a tropical storm, pounded the region with  torrential rains that were expected to continue for days, causing  catastrophic flooding, according to the National Hurricane Center.\n- The public hospital for Harris County, which includes Houston, began  evacuating patients after flooding disrupted its power supply.\n- The National Weather Service forecast rainfall of 15 to 25 inches through Friday, with as much as 50 inches in a few areas.\n- Emergency responders completed more than 1,000 high-water rescues during the night, and asked the public to donate boats.\n"},{"markdown":"\n**Unprecedented** \n"},{"urlInfo":{"type":"Html","url":"https:\u002F\u002Ftwitter.com\u002FNWS\u002Fstatus\u002F901832717070983169","host":"twitter.com","title":"NWS on Twitter","bestImage":"https:\u002F\u002Fpbs.twimg.com\u002Fmedia\u002FDIP0D3pW4AEBQSa.jpg:large"}},{"markdown":"\n**4-5 More Days of Rain**\n"},{"markdown":"\nCNN reports [Officials Warn Deluged Houston Could See 4-5 More Days of Rain](http:\u002F\u002Fwww.cnn.com\u002F2017\u002F08\u002F27\u002Fus\u002Fharvey-landfall\u002Findex.html).\n"},{"markdown":"\n \u003E Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez urged people to think twice before they leave their house and wade through water.  \n âIf water gets in but itâs not life threatening, Iâm going to ask you simply stay put. Do not get on the roadway,â he said.  \n Houston Fire Chief Samuel PeÃ±a adds that they have responded to 2,500 calls and have about 1,000 more waiting to be serviced.  \n Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner asked residents to use restraint in  calling 911.âI know people who call 911 may not be getting a response.  Letâs give preference to the life-threatening calls,â Turner said.  \n Turner defended his decision not to order evacuations before Harvey  made landfall Friday. Nobody was sure exactly where the storms would  hit, he said.âIf you give an order to evacuate, you create a nightmareâ  if itâs not done right, he said.  \n Callers to the local emergency dispatch line told of walls and roofs  collapsing across the city. An official there had warned those who opted  to stick out the storm to write their Social Security numbers on their  arms for body identification.  \n Brock Long, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, said  Saturday that Harvey would leave areas âuninhabitable for weeks or  months,â echoing language last seen ahead of Hurricane Katrina in 2005.\"\n"},{"markdown":"\n**Second Landfall**\n"},{"urlInfo":{"type":"Html","url":"https:\u002F\u002Ftwitter.com\u002FBenNollWeather\u002Fstatus\u002F901695324825075712","host":"twitter.com","title":"Ben Noll on Twitter","bestImage":"https:\u002F\u002Fpbs.twimg.com\u002Fprofile_images\u002F770432803708162048\u002FjuiCF3Sp_400x400.jpg"}},{"urlInfo":{"type":"Html","url":"https:\u002F\u002Ftwitter.com\u002Ftxstarkeeper\u002Fstatus\u002F901851869038948352","host":"twitter.com","title":"Annie on Twitter","bestImage":"https:\u002F\u002Fpbs.twimg.com\u002Fmedia\u002FDIQFfGGV4AAj_yi.jpg:large"}},{"urlInfo":{"type":"Html","url":"https:\u002F\u002Ftwitter.com\u002FMishGEA\u002Fstatus\u002F901885621681172482","host":"twitter.com","title":"Mike Mish Shedlock on Twitter","bestImage":"https:\u002F\u002Fpbs.twimg.com\u002Fprofile_images\u002F707994145697083392\u002FlDILBQSK_400x400.jpg"}},{"markdown":"\n **Storm Video** \n"},{"urlInfo":{"type":"Html","url":"https:\u002F\u002Fwww.youtube.com\u002Fwatch?v=tP5_wav6QZo&feature=youtu.be","host":"www.youtube.com","title":"INTENSE eye wall of category 4 Hurricane Harvey from Rockport, TX","description":"140+ mph wind gusts in eye wall of category 4 Hurricane Harvey from Rockport, Texas. We are now in the calm of the eye. Lost part of one side of the hotel. W...","bestImage":"https:\u002F\u002Fi.ytimg.com\u002Fvi\u002FtP5_wav6QZo\u002Fmaxresdefault.jpg"}},{"markdown":"\n **Drone Damage Footage** \n"},{"urlInfo":{"type":"Html","url":"https:\u002F\u002Fwww.youtube.com\u002Fwatch?v=dMMJnpvL7h4&feature=youtu.be","host":"www.youtube.com","title":"Drone footage shows Harvey's destruction","description":"Drone footage from Rockport, Texas, shows the destruction left behind by Hurricane Harvey.","bestImage":"https:\u002F\u002Fi.ytimg.com\u002Fvi\u002FdMMJnpvL7h4\u002Fhqdefault.jpg"}},{"markdown":"\nItâs amazing only five people are reported dead after all of this. Best wishes to all of those affected by Hurricane Harvey.\n"},{"markdown":"\nMike âMishâ Shedlock\n"}],"renderableConfigs":[],"usersMentioned":[],"isDeleted":false,"parentMessageIsDeleted":false,"replyLevel":0,"isFlaggedSpam":false,"isFlaggedAbuse":false,"isMarkedReviewed":false,"reactionSummaries":[]},"id":"U_3UKa8nGkmUrRz6eLjdmg","isActive":false,"isLocked":false,"isPinned":false,"lastMessage":null,"messages":[],"numberOfReplies":0,"loaded":true,"loading":false,"roomKey":"economics","userPolicy":{"canModerate":"No","canPreview":"Yes","canView":"Yes","canPost":"Register","canDirectMessage":"Register","canReply":"Register","canPublishLongForm":"No","othersCanViewMyPosts":"Yes","canUploadAudio":"Register","canUploadDocuments":"No","canUploadVideos":"Register","canUploadPhotos":"Register","canEditAnyPost":"No","canEditMyPosts":"Register","canDeleteAnyPost":"No","canDeleteMyPosts":"Register","canViewDeletedMessage":"No","canUndeleteAnyMessage":"No","canManageModerators":"Publisher","canViewModerationEvents":"No","canManagePublishers":"No","canManageGroups":"No","canManageChannelVisibility":"No","canManageAccessBehaviors":"No","canMarkUserVerified":"No","canManageUserPolicies":"No","canManageChannel":"Publisher","canViewChannelData":"Publisher","canManageRoom":"Publisher","canModifyLockedConversation":"No","canViewModerationStatus":"No","canMention":"Register","canMentionChannel":"No","canMentionRoom":"No","canMentionConversation":"Register","canEditAvatar":"No","canViewFullName":"No","canEditFullName":"No","canUpdateUserProfile":"No","canEditUserFlags":"No","canFlagMessage":"Register","canAddReaction":"Register","canViewChannelUsers":"No","canDownloadChannelUsers":"No","canSetStoryPublishDate":"Register","canViewAllPostdatedConversations":"No","canSetIsFacebookInstantArticle":"No","canViewAnonymous":"No"},"scrollPos":0,"extensions":[{"story":{"photo":"https:\u002F\u002Fs3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com\u002Fmaven-user-photos\u002Fmishtalk\u002Feconomics\u002FeQVzc5V2IkeXY0JgYgvb5A\u002FK3LBKw447EqZPdpOdlLv2Q","photoRenderable":{"urlInfo":{"type":"Image","url":"https:\u002F\u002Fs3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com\u002Fmaven-user-photos\u002Fmishtalk\u002Feconomics\u002FeQVzc5V2IkeXY0JgYgvb5A\u002FK3LBKw447EqZPdpOdlLv2Q","height":270,"width":529,"bestImage":"https:\u002F\u002Fs3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com\u002Fmaven-user-photos\u002Fmishtalk\u002Feconomics\u002FeQVzc5V2IkeXY0JgYgvb5A\u002FK3LBKw447EqZPdpOdlLv2Q"}},"title":"Hurricane Harvey: âUnprecedentedâ Houston Flood, Water 14 Feet Above Previous Record","deck":"The effects of Hurricane Harvey are beyond anything ever seen.\n\nWater is 14 feet above previous record levels, traffic lights are submerged. 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It has nothing to do with history and everything to do with psychology.\n\nPeople may not \"choose\" to have a government.  It may be thrust upon them.  However,â¦","isFirstMessage":false,"datePosted":"2018-02-11T16:42:49.590026Z","renderables":[{"markdown":"You obviously didn't read what I wrote.  It has nothing to do with history and everything to do with psychology.\n"},{"markdown":"\nPeople may not \"choose\" to have a government.  It may be thrust upon them.  However, refusal to act to change that government becomes implied consent - therefore they are \"choosing\" that government.  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