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<p>I feel so bad turning those off, but they&#39;re so damn loud</p>
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<p>And then there&#39;s California, where the most recent one not only was announced at 12:30am, but <strong><em>state-wide</em></strong>. There&#39;s absolutely no point to that if you&#39;re not within the nearest two counties or something.</p>
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<p>Gunman executed 12 members of a family and kidnaps one for use as a human shield: no alert.</p>

<p>Cop&#39;s bullet proof vest gets grazed by a .22: <strong>ALERT THE PUBLIC! EVERY COP IN THE STATE DROP WHAT YOU&#39;RE DOING! THIS IS ALL HANDS ON DECK! UNLIMITED OVERTIME IS APPROVED!</strong></p>
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comment " id="thing_t1_dm7fzlo" onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_dm7fzlo" data-type="comment" data-subreddit="technology" data-subreddit-prefixed="r/technology" data-subreddit-fullname="t5_2qh16" data-num-crossposts="0" data-author="KickMeElmo" data-author-fullname="t2_6u9pw" data-replies="2" data-permalink="/r/technology/comments/6wbnyj/before_hurricane_harvey_wireless_carriers_lobbied/dm7fzlo/" ><p class="parent"><a name="dm7fzlo"></a></p><div class="midcol unvoted" ><div class="arrow up login-required access-required" data-event-action="upvote" role="button" aria-label="upvote" tabindex="0" ></div><div class="arrow down login-required access-required" data-event-action="downvote" role="button" aria-label="downvote" tabindex="0" ></div></div><div class="entry unvoted"><p class="tagline"><a href="javascript:void(0)" class="expand" onclick="return togglecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/KickMeElmo" class="author may-blank id-t2_6u9pw" >KickMeElmo</a><span class="userattrs"></span>&#32;<span class="score dislikes" title="158">158 points</span><span class="score unvoted" title="159">159 points</span><span class="score likes" title="160">160 points</span>&#32;<time title="Sun Aug 27 21:00:20 2017 UTC" datetime="2017-08-27T21:00:20+00:00" class="live-timestamp">5 months ago</time>&nbsp;<a href="javascript:void(0)" class="numchildren" onclick="return togglecomment(this)">(25 children)</a></p><form action="#" class="usertext warn-on-unload" onsubmit="return post_form(this, 'editusertext')" id="form-t1_dm7fzloo93"><input type="hidden" name="thing_id" value="t1_dm7fzlo"/><div class="usertext-body may-blank-within md-container " ><div class="md"><p>This is the same state that just outlawed cities raising their minimum wage. I expect no sense out of Missouri lately.</p>
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<p>They&#39;re shooting themselves in the foot</p>
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<p>Nah we would have gotten a blue alert if that&#39;d happened. </p>
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Guess I don&#39;t know how big counties in California are but it could be reasonable for a portion of the state (like whereever the car can get in 6 hours).</p>
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<p><a href="http://geology.com/county-map/california-county-map.gif">Here</a></p>
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<p>With an area of 20,105 square miles, San Bernardino County is the largest county in the United States by area, although some of Alaska&#39;s boroughs and census areas are larger. It is larger than each of the nine smallest states, larger than the four smallest states combined, and larger than 70 different sovereign nations.</p>
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<p>Something related to the fact that we used to be our own country from 1836-1845, I learned about it in Texas History almost twenty years ago.</p>
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<p>New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but <strong>no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress</strong>.</p>
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<p><sup>Article IV, Section 3</sup></p>

<p>All you need is the state legislature and Congress to be cool with it. Plus technically there&#39;s already parts of other states (New Mexico, Oklahoma) that came out of Texas&#39; former territorial claims.</p>

<p>But if you want a real illustration of how big we are (also shamelessly taken from 7th grade Texas History): you can fit all of France inside of our state and still have room for Hawai&#39;i and Vermont.</p>
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I&#39;m not just talking urban vs rural.</p>

<p>Norcal and socal are drastically different culturally. Even the slang and dialects are different. It has to do with a HUGE stretch of nothing but commercial farmland in between los angeles and san francisco</p>
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<p>Cultural variation is <em>immense</em> within Texas. Consider the location: wedged at the intersection of the plains to the north, Louisiana and the &quot;South&quot; to the east, Mexico to the actual south, and the West...well, west! Add to that a staggering number of transplants from all over the world and mix in a heaping helping of Texas &quot;nationalism&quot; and you&#39;ll have some idea of how culturally diverse and non-homogenized the state actually is.</p>
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I&#39;m sorry to be callous, but <a href="https://www.theglobalist.com/the-cost-of-a-human-life-statistically-speaking/">one kidnapped child is not valuable enough to activate an emergency alert system</a>, especially not in the middle of the night and especially given the number of people that will subsequently die because they have disabled those alerts before the next earthquake. AIUI <a href="http://www.pollyklaas.org/about/national-child-kidnapping.html">most of the time kidnappings are by desperate family members</a>, which means the child is not necessarily even in imminent danger.</p>
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<p>I don&#39;t need an alert every time there is a civil dispute over child visitation. </p>
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I also turned of Amber Alerts  after that one.</p>
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<p>Can you imagine a more effective propaganda campaign?</p>

<p>What, are you defending pedophiles or something, citizen?!</p>
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<p>I got extreme weather texts for my area and crucial news from my school like campus closure or violent persons. But those were text subscriptions. </p>
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<p>source: I&#39;ve been a wireless engineer working on cell phone software for over a decade.</p>
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The amber alert one went when it woke me up early morning about an abduction in Southern California that had just happened, I&#39;m most of the way north in Oregon.   </p>

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<p>It does seem quite annoying but considering it&#39;s for natural disasters I guess it&#39;s useful.</p>
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<p>AMBER alerts are actually for abducted children, not natural disasters. So still useful, just in a different way which most people will never pay attention to.</p>
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I just figured it was the same everywhere. </p>
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<p>The U.S. has a nationwide wireless emergency alert system and has since 2012. It can target tower-by-tower, even sector-by-sector. The FCC and other bodies want to improve it using the lessons learned over the last five years. </p>
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The cell broadcasts, as currently implemented, are beyond worthless.  The default is to treat FYI&#39;s and actionable, verified threats exactly the same (i.e. a bullshit tornado <em>watch</em> in a neighboring county gets the same fanfare klaxon/flashies on my phone as an actual tornado warning/sighting at my GPS coordinates). The broadcasts are not geographically relevant (i.e. I get alerts from dozens of miles away) and contain no goddamn useful information whatsoever (e.g. flash flood warning in Galveston, check local media...  great.... thats an entire fucking county, and no shit flash floods are possible somewhere within it over the next few days.  Everyone with eyeballs already knew that!).  On top of that many of them are duplicated, so you get the same exact broadcast multiple times.</p>

<p>So on Android you can turn off severe broadcasts while leaving extreme broadcasts enabled.  I did that, and it helped cut down the noise a little.  But the geniuses running the system just sent two EXTREME broadcasts today telling people &quot;not to call 911 unless it&#39;s an emergency.&quot;.  That&#39;s not why the system is there!  I have received no less than 50 cell broadcasts over the past 2 days, ZERO of which have actually contained information of an actual threat to me or any actionable information whatsoever.  </p>

<p>A common thread among disaster investigations is &quot;oh, we just ignore that warning light/sound, it always does that.&quot; All the current system does is desensitize people to the warnings, and I&#39;ve personally seen many people here just turning this bullshit off entirely in their settings the past few days.</p>
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They know where the towers are and should have an idea of the coverage. So they should be able to significantly narrow down transmissions. The caveat being acknowledging not all phones will receive the message but it is simply one more way to send an alert. </p>

<p>And the government should pay for it since it is in the public interest. </p>
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<p>And throw in a law saying all towers must be compliant by date X (at which point they get fined large amounts per non upgraded tower)</p>
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<p>Just a law with a deadline and penalties for non-compliance.</p>

<p>The same way E911 was done.</p>

<p>.</p>

<p>And the &quot;upgrades&quot; amount to little more than a software patch. It&#39;s not like they will have to replace millions of dollars worth of hardware.</p>
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None of this X hundred thousand/X million bullshit.</p>

<p>These companies are making billions in profit each year. Make it hurt to take the money and run. Make it like the kick in the balls it should have been. </p>

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There needs to be an official contract, clearly stating dates by which requirements must be met, clearly stating penalty fees for delayed requirements, and clearly stating full penalty in case of requirements being unfulfilled - all the way to legal penalties in case of theft</p>

<p>If banks can do that with business loans. Government can do that with public contracts.</p>

<p>There is absolutely no excuse for allowing companies to simply &quot;take the money and run&quot;</p>
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<p>If we could get a few thousand other people to comment in this thread who they blame then we&#39;ll have the problem solved.</p>
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<p>And the government should pay for it since it is in the public interest.</p>
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<p>My opinion is it should be a term of the liscencing to provide that as a public service. I get emergency warning messages from broadcast television as providing them is a term of their liscence, there is no,reason it can not or should not be a condition of their wireless liscence.  </p>
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<p>Like for example, with Verizon I pay $50/month for my plan, and then an additional $20 for &quot;network access&quot;. Isn&#39;t that what the plan is? It&#39;s absolute bullshit. These kinds of fees should be completely illegal. They use it to advertise a $50/mo plan, but in reality it&#39;s not close to that at all.</p>
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What you see is what you pay.</p>
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<p>Given how many tax dollars and tax cuts we already give wireless carriers, they can fucking pay for it themselves.</p>
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<p>There should be a requirement of &#39;public good&#39; with large businesses that if the government asks them to do something and it isn&#39;t &#39;an undue burden&#39; they have to do it. If they refuse then their charter gets revoked and the business gets sold off. Businesses could be proactive and do stuff for the government (I&#39;m including state and local) that would allow them to fulfill that requirement without getting asked first. And this is with the assumption they eat the cost. </p>

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<p>Edit: Thank you for the spelling correction.</p>
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I mean, fuck, it isn&#39;t like carriers are going to say &quot;Nah, fuck it, we&#39;re just not going to do anything to milk available spectrum any more than we are.&quot;</p>
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<p>Edit: Changed costumers to consumers, we won&#39;t force the costs on the Furries... THIS TIME. </p>
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<p>Developing the tools to manage those messages and correlate all found signals to the towers being targeted is a whole other matter.  Hopefully there exists something that operates under the same general rules that works on a broader scale that can be refined to work for natural disaster warnings.</p>
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Radio bands are controlled by the public and providing public emergency broadcasting is one of the costs associated with using public radio bands.</p>
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We&#39;ve replaced a tried-and-true broadcast system and this is what happens when <em>business</em> makes public policy decisions.</p>

<p>¯\_(ツ)_/¯ </p>
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<p>However, using FM for emergency broadcasting won&#39;t work, for multiple reasons.</p>

<p>Edit: the app is called NextRadio, and it&#39;s the only app that I&#39;m aware of that truly uses FM radio and not streaming.</p>
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<p>They actually have, starting in 2016 (or possibly 2015). As of now all current Android phones are manufactured with the chip activated, </p>
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<p>Does that prevent the carrier&#39;s &quot;bloatware bundle&quot; from de-activating it?</p>
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Next, sadly, most android carriers also disable the built-in receivers. I have an excellent app on my phone for FM reception. For three years it&#39;s told me to <em>stay tuned</em> (pun) and hopefully Congress will eventually be more than elderly white men seeking <em>contributions</em> and my phone&#39;s sophistication won&#39;t be beaten by a kid&#39;s handmade crystal radio set. </p>

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<p>Also, it sounds like your phone is at least 3 years old, which means it won&#39;t have the chip activated. You&#39;ll have to see if your carrier will activate it for you, since it&#39;s a physical switch which would require taking the phone apart. Now, the chips are automatically activated, but if it was manufactured any longer than roughly a year ago it won&#39;t be.</p>
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Talk about a swamp!</p>
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<p>Imagine trying to put out a burning city, with one hose, from a boat.</p>
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<p>EMERGENCY: Rosie O&#39;Donnell is fat. </p>
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<p>If twitter ever runs out of funding</p>
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<p>Trump would declare it vital infrastructure, too big to fail, and give them a bailout.</p>
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If we regulate the comm companies, capitalism will die. </p>

<p>/s </p>
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<p>It&#39;s super simple and very useful. I thought it already existed. Wtf. I get SMS blasts from fido about regional &quot;deals&quot;, just send a fucking text about weather. Maybe then I won&#39;t block your number, too. Better yet use a different one.</p>

<p>Heck you can send SMS anonymously from websites. I get spam a handful of times a year from this stuff.</p>

<p>Congestion my ass. What&#39;s going on. Laziness?</p>
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<p>With today&#39;s app culture, why doesn&#39;t FEMA invest in an app platform to send alerts?  You could use location data from the phone to hit a specific geographic area with alerts.  It would be relatively cheap to implement if the agency threw the project out to the open source crowd. </p>
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<p>I think FEMA should partner with Google and Apple. By hooking into Google Play Services, and Apple Push Notification Services, FEMA could serve emergency alerts over a network that encompasses hundreds of millions of users. These alerts can be received over existing infrastructure, or WiFi. </p>

<p>In the wake of a major disaster, peer to peer connections can spread the alerts into areas that are without cell service, like a passive version of Apple&#39;s AirDrop.</p>
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<p>I was saying the more modern solution could skip a carrier system and opt for one supported by Apple and Google&#39;s already robust systems.</p>

<p>Of course the major problem with that is that many poor and elderly people (the most vulnerable in any weather related disaster) likely won&#39;t have a smartphone, and will be left out. I think the existing legacy system is an appropriate fallback for those situations</p>
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<p>I already disabled it on all of my devices, and I know most of my friends have as well.  </p>

<p>Having it go off while driving or working and causing a &#39;WTF is that?&#39; distraction moment is not good/safe.</p>

<p>Best part was that the last time it was activated here, wasn&#39;t even for something locally - was for one state over.</p>

<p>Loud and obnoxious for emergency life saving evacuation information?  Great!  I&#39;m all for that.</p>

<p>Loud and obnoxious for amber alerts enabled by default?  Yeah... that isn&#39;t going to get left enabled.</p>
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<p>Scared the shit out of me one time driving home right after a flight</p>
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<p>Sorry but I can&#39;t help look for a missing child, I haven&#39;t even gotten out of bed.  Maybe i can check outside the window.  Nope, no missing girl.  Now let me get another hour of sleep before work. </p>
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<p>Being jolted awake by your phone sounding like a nuclear attack warning is not the best PR for your cause.</p>

<p>So many people disabled the Amber Alert function on their phone because of that.  Mine is still off.</p>

<p>News story about it:  <a href="http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Amber-Alert-Smartphone-iPhone-California-Messages-Emergency-218582631.html">http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Amber-Alert-Smartphone-iPhone-California-Messages-Emergency-218582631.html</a></p>
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A text message alert is more likely to be effective.</p>
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<p>Frankly, there&#39;s not any excuse for this. I get that manufacturers and carriers don&#39;t want to deal with the hassle, but this is a problem that has been solved several times and is not a real technical challenge. The thorniest bit is regulation on what constitutes a valid mass alert message, but even that is largely solved.</p>
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This is for the public good.</p>
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<p>Having the government create an app and &quot;strongly recommend&quot; everybody install it is a recipe for disaster. That road ends with an app that&#39;s horribly bloated, consumes disproportionate amounts of battery power, contains numerous security issues, is only updated once in a blue moon, sends location and other data back to government servers with no accountability and doesn&#39;t even reliably perform the purpose it was created for.</p>
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<p>You need something that will get to everyone on the cell network. And SMS text message is the only way to do this reliably. Every phone has the ability to receive a SMS message. The carrier just needs to broadcast a SMS message over each tower in the effected area. Each phone connected to the affected tower will receive the message. I am not sure if the network Currently can do this but it should be technically possible to do. Carriers could also set this message to be a priority over any other communication during the emergency as cell towers will become over loaded. </p>
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<p>I for one love it, when my phone screams me out of bed with the &quot;Danger Tornado/Flood Coming&quot; sound at 3am due to an Amber Alert happening in in a city 30miles away from me.  I&#39;m always certain to turn on the light and look around just in case a &quot;Silver Chevy Tacoma&quot; happens to be parked in my bedroom.</p>

<p>People are going to end up dying because they ignore the important alerts, having been trained for months prior that the sound is just an annoyance.</p>
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<p>But video? what/why/hells no
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<p>But efforts to bring those alerts into the digital age — requiring, for example, that they include multimedia and foreign-language support </p>
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<p>Why do we need multimedia support for these? This is supposed to be an emergency system. It should be simple and dependable and explicitly avoid using any of this web 2.0 shit. The emergency alerts are notices of an emergency that should point people towards other more dependable information sources.</p>

<p>For that matter:</p>

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<p>upgrade the sort of short text-based messages — often accompanied by a loud alarm — that authorities have used since 2012 </p>
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<p>TIL 2012 is prior to the &quot;digital age&quot;.</p>
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